Doug Fine, Journalist, New Mexico
How an ambitious experiment in ecological living led to a goat pen
- By Amanda Bensen
- Smithsonian magazine, March 2008, Subscribe
Two years ago, public radio reporter Doug Fine bought a 41-acre ranch in southwestern New Mexico to live off the land – and off the grid. In his book, Farewell, My Subaru, due out this month, he says he raised his own food, cut his dependence on fossil fuels and still managed not to "die in a way that would cause embarrassment if the obituary writer did his or her research."
How did you come up with this idea?
I wanted to see if I could reduce my oil and carbon footprint but still enjoy the amenities that we expect as Americans. In other words, to continue driving a motorized vehicle and have power at my house—not live like a total Grizzly Adams. Can I enjoy Netflix and the Internet without fossil fuels?
Can the average working person live off the grid?
Yes. Anybody can live an almost totally oil-free lifestyle. If your vehicle has a diesel engine, you can convert it to run on waste vegetable oil from restaurants. That's what I did for my ROAT, my Ridiculously Oversized American Truck. Solar power is totally feasible. Growing your own food takes an hour or two a day. But I would suggest that if one doesn't have an hour or two to work on one's life, one might be too busy.
How environmentally conscious were you growing up?
I started out in the suburbs of New York, where I didn't see a real tomato until I was in college. I thought tomatoes were supposed to be orange baseballs, like you see them in the supermarket. The way I live now is an absolutely drastic change. But when people visit me here at the Funky Butte Ranch, they're not saying, 'Wow, what a wacko.' They're saying, 'How can I do this?'
When was the last time that you went to a Wal-Mart?
I go much less frequently than I used to, but the dilemma remains. Today, my goats' water bucket broke. It's a plastic bucket made in China. Eventually, I want to go to a thrift store and find an old ceramic or metal sink to use instead, but in the short-term, I need another bucket.
Do you see yourself as a humor writer?
It's to the point now where if I do something painful or dumb, I think—that's a career move. I make a career of doing things poorly and increasing people's confidence they can do those things, too. When I first experimented with solar power, I shocked myself so badly that I could practically see my own skeleton through my skin.
What was harder than expected?
The animal husbandry and some of the food-growing. When I hear coyotes howling, I go sleep in the pen to keep the baby goats company. I know that would be a hard transition for some folks.
You sleep in the goat pen?
If you're basically offering a buffet of goats and chickens, you need to defend against predators that want 24-hour takeout.
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Comments (22)
I am compelled to write you. My wife, Mimi and I are the parents of the Mako Haggety you wrote about in 'Almost a Mountain Man'. We live in Tucson but manage to get to Homer. Mako has been an adventurer since the age of 14 when he took off and lived with an eskimo family in Eastern Canada. If you are ever in Tucson, give us a call.
Posted by Mike Haggerty on October 18,2010 | 04:41 PM
Is there a way to create the ozone that is related to the ozone layer and apply it to specific areas?
Posted by Albert Oku on October 28,2008 | 06:23 PM
This interview was inspiring. I am embarking on a similar venture on a 252 acre farm in the high mountains of North Carolina. We have sun, hydro, and wind power available there. Lots of biomass for heat, too. I will also think about getting a Pyranees, too.
Posted by Mark Owens on October 21,2008 | 11:06 AM
I enjoyed reading your excellent account of going green, a great life. BUT I am writing because you look exactly like my deceased son Forrest, so I believe you must be cousins---just related somehow. (He was 48 years old in 2007.) His father's family was from Long Island, N.Y.and there were many relatives there. I would be glad to correspond with you about the family. Carolyn S. (age 83)
Posted by Carolyn Starrett on August 2,2008 | 04:33 PM
Excellent article. Joni and I are planning a similiar set-up "off grid" and totally self-sufficient life. Admire you dedication and perseverence. "New American Pioneers"
Posted by Randy Everett on July 12,2008 | 11:00 PM
Yes, Doug has finally started coming around. I just don't understand why city people come out West and want to kill what they don't understand. Killing predators is not living Green! Predators deserve some easy meals like chickens, goats, humans, cows or whatever moves too slowly. Guns are for people who feel out of place and scared in their environment. True earth living folks don't need guns. Doug, did you mean that you are green, as is neophyte? Larry Donovan-Baker, Nevada
Posted by Larry Donovan on April 8,2008 | 01:46 AM
What does he think a plastic bucket is made from?
Posted by Angelet Took on April 2,2008 | 01:55 AM
Think I went to NYU with your Father. Is(was) his name BIll. Thanks.
Posted by Stan Auster on April 2,2008 | 05:30 PM
Enjoyable interview, and a book I want to read. By any chance did you attend Holderness School? I also liked the defense-minded creatures suggested as alternatives to your sleeping in the goat pen.The article following your interview makes a good case for Anatlian shepherds.
Posted by Jim Brewer on March 26,2008 | 02:03 PM
Hey Doug, I was glad to see you on here. I hadnt heard from you in awhile, was wondering what kind of Crazy things you were up to. Glad things are going well for you! Mom bought 4 copies of your new book. Which reminds me, if your looking for something to scare Critters away from your goats, use my Mom she scares anything that crosses her path:)
Posted by Clifford Wickward on March 25,2008 | 10:37 PM
This article brought to mind a delightful series run by the BBC a few decades backed, entitled "Good Neighbours". Tom and Barbra Good "The Good Life/Good Neighbours" was the first thing that popped into my head when I read the article. Is his goat's name Geroldine, by chance?
Posted by James Cloninger on March 24,2008 | 10:57 PM
Hey Doug, What a surprise turning the pages of my magazine and seeing your familiar face. Glad to see all is well with you but how could you ever get rid of a Subaru! Look forward to reading your book, take care and keep in touch. By the way, there is an LP for a Great Pyrenees that needs a home in Skagway.
Posted by Judy Erekson on March 13,2008 | 01:56 PM
Hi Doug! We miss you here in Haines, Alaska, but I am sure it is easier to get power with so much sun! It was great to see your fuzzy face in the Smithsonian, will get your book asap. Get a standard poodle! (just kidding) Whoopi barks Hello!
Posted by Sharon Svenson on March 12,2008 | 12:08 AM
Use Akbash dogs to guard the sheep flock myself. The garden is easy, but still more productive with power equipment. The simple fact that pumping water from 600 ft to make life workable on a ranch takes quite a bit of power. Have to go, its lambing season. 7 males, one female lamb so far, 13 more in the pipeline. chow.
Posted by greg Lopp on March 6,2008 | 10:42 AM
love New Mexico, but how's the weather, too harsh? Can see myself in your shoes, but what has been the most difficult part. Is your wife on board for the changes? thanks,
Posted by on March 5,2008 | 03:05 PM
In the early '80s I lived on the west slope of Mount Cuyamaca in San Diego County in Southern California. Although from the high point we could see the ocean and the lights of the city, we lived without telephones or electricity. During this time we lost a total of four young goats to a mountain lion. My partner and I took turns sleeping in the pen with the herd with a pistol and a flashlight in easy reach. You can read about this in Black Mountain Lady, the diary of a goat herder, my novel, which is now on www.blackmountainlady.com. Our place burned down in the big fires, but the memories will last forever.
Posted by Jay Dyck on March 2,2008 | 07:46 PM
Just curious if you have a family...spouse, significant other/partner, children? You don't mention anyone else helping you in your dailey life. How much harder do you think this would be if you had a family to support? Impossible? Easier? Can't wait to read your book.
Posted by Jodie Smith on March 2,2008 | 10:58 AM
Another excellent guard animal for you goats would be a miniature donkey. They are thrifty, intelligent and useful creatures, easy to handle, and well-adapted to SW New Mexico climate and terrain. Not only will they guard your goats, they can help you with your chores (carrying or carting or light plowing), provide you with more composting material for your garden and entertain you for hours with their shenanigans.
Posted by Shiner on February 29,2008 | 01:34 PM
A great read full of useful tips on off grid living. Pretty funny at times as well... would love it had he tried using some form of fecal recycling for methan gas.... another great resource is www.off-grid.net The site has tons of info on how to save money and begin taking the steps to living off the grid.
Posted by Lindsay Hobson on February 27,2008 | 07:10 AM
Haven't bought your book yet - but definitely intend to!! Great interview - and here's a tip - You need a Great Pyrenees or two for you and your goats - you may fall asleep, but your Pyr won't!! Just a little advice from the boonies in Southern Utah.
Posted by Paula Swapp on February 26,2008 | 09:06 PM
Haven't bought your book yet - but definitely intend to!! Great interview - and here's a tip - You need a Great Pyrenees or two for you and your goats - you may fall asleep, but your Pyr won't!! Just a little advice from the boonies in Southern Utah.
Posted by Paula Swapp on February 26,2008 | 09:06 PM
This article brought to mind a delightful series run by the BBC a few decades backed, entitled "Good Neighbours". Tom and Barbra Good (played by Richard Briers and Felicity Kendal) were a couple who decided to throw in the towel on corporate Britain and "live off of the grid-and off the land" on a 1 acre lot located in the London suburb of Surbiton, no less! No solar panels, they-their home was powered by an effluence digester using their animals' offal to create methane gas. Mr. Fine might want to have a look at this for some creative ideas on how to achieve his dream, as they did theirs-with a lot of innovative inventions, and a generous dollop of humour.
Posted by Sharon L.Casey on February 26,2008 | 07:46 PM
I just wanted to say i really enjoyed this interview!!!!!!!I bought the book!
Posted by Mark Downing on February 26,2008 | 02:22 PM