Where ‘An Eye for An Eye’ Should be the Letter of the Law
The courts have failed victims of violent crimes, according to one Fordham law professor, but does that mean that vengeance is justified?
- By Amy Crawford
- Smithsonian.com, April 08, 2013, Subscribe
Most of us are taught from a young age that revenge is wrong, and it’s better to turn the other cheek. But far from condemning vengeance as something we must learn to overcome, Fordham University law professor Thane Rosenbaum argues in his radical new book, Payback: The Case for Revenge, that the desire to get even is an indelible part of our nature, and that it’s nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, he says, we’d all be better off if society makes a place for revenge in our legal system, accepting it as an integral part of justice. Using examples from history, mythology, popular culture and recent events—such as the widely-celebrated killing of Osama bin Laden—Rosenbaum asks us to “give revenge a chance.”
Doesn’t an eye for an eye leave the whole world blind? Won’t we have a more peaceful society if we abstain from seeking vengeance?
To me, there’s a greater moral outrage in not taking an eye for an eye, or in taking less than an eye for an eye. It’s the moral outrage that comes when people feel they can get away with something. We’ve been taught that vengeance is an artifact of our primitive past. But there is no justice unless people feel avenged. Criminals and wrongdoers should be made to pay back what is owed.
If revenge is natural and right, how did we get to the point where society considers it barbaric and primitive?
There’s a fear of revenge run amok, like when we hear of the Hatfields and the McCoys, where there’s been so much tit for tat and doubling down on tit for tat that nobody knows how to stop it. But I think a blood feud is different from vengeance, because vengeance by definition is proportionate.
Your book focuses mainly on changing our legal system, and you write that courts need to provide “permissible, legal pathways” for vengeance. What would that look like in practice?
In the United States, our legal system says, “Don’t take anything personally. You are merely a witness on behalf of the state.” It doesn’t allow victims to speak honestly about the harms committed against them. And it doesn’t let them have the necessary biological, psychological and moral imperative of an emotional release. Victims should be part of the suit, rather than calling it People vs. Jones. Victims should be participating in the prosecution, they should be able to speak—and not just at the sentencing hearing, they should speak during the part of the trial that deals with guilt itself.
I also raise the possibility of a victim veto, where if the state enters into a plea bargain that is insufficient in the mind of the victim or the victim’s family, they can say, “Judge, I can’t live with that. This person killed my daughter. I can’t possibly go home and think this is appropriate,” and prevent the bargain from taking place.
Why isn’t it enough to give victims or their families a chance to speak before a convicted criminal is sentenced, as we sometimes do today? Doesn’t including them in the part of the trial meant to determine guilt risk prejudicing the jury against a defendant who is presumed innocent?
The burden is still on the state and the victim to get the right person. And we already do engage victims as witnesses in the guilt phase. It’s not as if they aren’t a part of the process, it’s just that we don’t let them speak to the jury, and they become voiceless. But I want the victim involved. Be a face we can see!
A Thane Rosenbaum courtroom is a much messier courtroom—it’s emotionally open. It’s not as clipped and canned and sanitized. It gives people an opportunity to express their grief, their loss, to speak to their pain. We don’t do that now. What I’m talking about is a much more tearful expression of justice. It’s much more honest; it’s therapeutic. There’s something very powerful in standing before your community and speaking to your loss.
That might not be consistent with provisions in the Bill of Rights that protect the accused, like the Sixth Amendment’s requirement that a jury be impartial, and that a defendant be allowed to cross-examine anyone who testifies against him. Would you amend the Constitution to protect victims’ rights as well?
Our Bill of Rights is set up to address the needs of the accused, but we’ve completely renounced any obligation to worry about victims’ rights. The Fourth, Fifth, and, most especially, Sixth Amendments are completely designed to protect the accused. No such reciprocal amendment protects victims, and any such amendment might conflict to some degree with those other three. But what if there were a Sixth Amendment subsection which read, “Notwithstanding all the rights just enumerated in favor of the accused, crime victims also have the right to confront witnesses, to participate in trial proceedings, to have their own counsel representing them at criminal trials, to participate in both the guilt and sentencing phases of criminal trials, and to exercise a victim veto.” You want to truly put an end to vigilante justice? The above language would probably go a long way toward accomplishing it.
You write a lot about murder and its impact on victims’ families. Do you believe the death penalty is an appropriate way to help survivors feel avenged? What sorts of punishments are fair for the most heinous crimes?
I only feel strongly about the death penalty when we’re talking about the worst of the worst. I’m not saying the death penalty or life in prison without parole can ever redress the harms that were committed. But I do know that to under-punish, to shortchange, is a kind of moral violation that we should find intolerable. I write about the woman in Iran who was blinded by a classmate, with acid thrown in her face. Originally the sentence was that a doctor would put acid in the eyes of the person who did that—truly an eye for an eye. This woman has been blinded and disfigured for the rest of her life, and why should the other person not experience the same thing? In the end, both the court and she decided not to go through with that remedy. Some people were relieved. But I think it at least sends a message that she was entitled to that.
The Iran case prompted international outrage. Would you like to see judges in the United States imposing such sentences as well?
I’m in favor of leaving options available to allow judges to impose punishments that more closely approximate the injury and violence that the wrongdoer committed. Judges should be mindful of what the victim needs to see happen in order to feel avenged.
How do we prevent judges from meting out “cruel and unusual punishment”?
If the principles of the Constitution applied equally to protect victims as much as the accused, I would say that it is “cruel and unusual punishment” to deny victims the right to experience the reclaiming of honor that comes with punishing those who have done them harm. The judge, of course, is in the best position to reduce or limit the victim’s request, because the victim might be asking for a disproportionate punishment.
As you note throughout the book, our justice system sometimes fails to punish wrongdoers all together. Do you believe we ever have a right to enact our own vengeance?
I’m not arguing that people should engage in self-help. I call for the legal system to do it right and to take certain precautions to recognize what happens when the system does it wrong. The transaction costs are tricky when individuals go about it. You could always get the wrong person.
If the legal system fails, which it often does, and individuals can’t live with the outcome, and they have to take justice into their own hands, we should at least recognize what it was, instead of treating it like a separate crime. In the book, I mentioned a case in Rhode Island, the father whose 5-year-old son was killed and eaten by a pedophile, Michael Woodmansee. Woodmansee got a 40-year plea bargain, and he got out in 28 years. The media spoke to the father and he said, “If this man is released in my vicinity, I do intend to kill him.” Many people reacted with outrage. But how can we not sympathize?
If a father killed his child’s murderer, how should the legal system treat him?
We need a revenge statue that would say, “This crime took place wholly in the context of a justified retaliation,” in the same way that we permit self-defense. This isn’t premeditated murder; it’s something like manslaughter. I would always give the legal system the first chance, but if something like this were to happen, we should understand it in the context of a justified revenge.
You write about the place of revenge in “the moral universe.” From where do you derive your understanding of morality?
It’s not religious. There are some things that are just right and wrong. It’s better to tell the truth than to lie. It’s better to treat people with kindness than to harm them. I don’t accept a moral relativism there. Similarly, there is a kind of moral absolutism when people who are guilty of something are sufficiently punished. There’s a chapter on science in the book, and all the recent research is without any question: we are wired for justice and fairness and retaliation. We respond to justified retaliation with a sense of relief, of satisfaction. Certain sectors of the brain light up when a person receives his due.
You’re obviously very passionate about this. Have you ever been the victim of a crime?
No. Aside from the fact that my parents were Holocaust survivors, I’ve lived a very charmed life.
You don’t think your parents’ experience has anything to do with your feelings of moral outrage when people get away with murder?
No. They died when I was very young. This isn’t personal to me, this just makes sense. The human experience means something to me. I don’t like the antiseptic way in which we think the law is supposed to deal with individuals. People come to the law when they’re at their most vulnerable, their most emotional, their most morally injured. We have to respond to them at that level. Vengeance has a purpose. It has an emotional purpose, a moral purpose, a therapeutic purpose. Why can’t we just be honest about it?
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Comments (15)
Finally!, Someone brought this up. I have been waiting for years to see something like this. I have ALWAYS been a big beleiver in "An eye for an eye"and DO beleive it should be brought back into the judicial system. There are far TOO MANY people "getting away" with wrongdoing's. Our society has become what it is and the way it is because the punishment laws are too LOOSE. People today kill because someone owe's them 20 dollars! What is that! Their mindset?, I won't be in jail that long. We shouldn't even be leaving all these criminals sit in jail, for what?, we the taxpayers are paying to have these criminals sit around, free room and board, they get to play outside, have conjugal visits! I beleive a eye for a eye would certainly cut down on wrongdoers. The laws should not be set in favor for the criminal, as they are, they shuold be set to protect the inoccent one the crime has been done against. Having people sit in jail is not what most people want after the pain and anger they feel. But, with all that being said, I definetaly think that there should be evidence that this person that has done the wrongdoing is the correct person to be doing the same unto, the person that commited the crime. Also,one more thing,these people, defense attorney's, should have their act together or they should be thrown of the case! None of this, which I see too often, " I must have misplaced that, I can't find that sir, I didn't bring that with me"!! Society as know it will come too alot worse a lot quicker if we don't take corrective action now.
Posted by Concerned Citizen on May 7,2013 | 11:28 AM
I live in the Philippines on the island of Mindaneo. I've seen the results of "an eye for and eye" and believe me it DOESN'T work. Instead it propogates an unending cycle of violence. An example being the problem of a Filipino citizen who is a OFW. That's an overseas worker from the Philippines. (10% of population) who was attacked by his landlord with a knife. He ended up killing the Saudi and now has a future of beheading publically if what they call there and here "blood money." to satisfy the family of the Saudi. It is legal there, but if this Filipino man does not raise the required millions to the family by a fast approaching date he will be publically executed. He has raised much, but not enough and the King of Saudi Arabia gave him an extention. In that part of the world, they also have blood feuds, particularly Pakistan and Afghanistan. Some have been going on for decades and in some instances centuries. This is why the civilized countries of the world have done away with this type of redress, which is a legal remedy in that country. I believe as stated that victims have no rights and especially in America has a total basis in fact. Victims have less rights than the accused, but that is to assure a workable constitution and Bill of Rights. Congress that can't even agree on what day it is, let along something as complicated as this. So in essence I guess I'm saying that there are many faults in many countries, but when in Rome do as the Romans do and beware of your rights before you decide to go and work or live there. But, do not judge anyone moslem with extreme views just because they're Moslem. That is definately wrong. If inclined, work through the system to make victims rights laws with teeth in them. Some states have financial remedies for victims, some don't. It should be a right for all in America, not what state you live in.
Posted by scottcameron on April 24,2013 | 06:53 PM
“... You are merely a witness on behalf of the state.” Often today the State takes away your right to declare yourself not a victim. Particularly in DV and issues of consensual sex.
Posted by Paul on April 19,2013 | 12:55 PM
Rosenbaum is very much in tune with American thought in general: feelings are primary and every endeavor can be reduced to a game or a business. This reductionism even infects the practice of science. Feelings are blind and not necessarily consistent with truth. Reason is the --granted, fallible--faculty of truth. I propose that the function of the courts is to mete justice to the community as well as to individuals. Our courts have become theaters where the best players win. The victim impact statement, as it is practiced now, has no other value than to sway emotions and has no place in the honest pursuit of justice. Rosenbaum has a legal right to voice and print his absurdity, but neither that nor his academic title make it any more truthful.
Posted by Donald Novak on April 17,2013 | 10:39 AM
"eye for an eye" Only the unlearned understand this literally. Where is God's justice if a one-eyed man takes out the eye of a man with two eyes? If you take out the one-eyed man's eye he becomes blind! In context of the Bible's statement it refers to monetary value. Read it—and know—your Bible.
Posted by Thom McCann on April 16,2013 | 06:07 PM
Finally. Someone with intelligence and guts writes a book and speaks his mind about a subject that has needed addressing for way to long. I have not read the book yet so I cannot say anything about it, but if this article is any indication of it's contents, I believe it is a must read. I just placed my order. This subject is one reason why so many TV shows are and were so popular. Dexter, Equalizer and so may more. We as a society NEED to know that we are protected and when we are harmed, that someone will make sure that justice is served. As for the father that wants to kill the man that killed and then ate his son, we as Americans should be lining up to help him do just that. The outrage should be focused on the fact that the killer gout out after 28 years. I have to stop here because this does nothing but raise my blood pressure and anger me even more.
Posted by Norman Tanner on April 15,2013 | 11:56 AM
If someone is 100% PROVEN GUILTY of murder(yes,it IS possible)he/she should get the death penalty within a year with ONE appeal instead of the upteenth appeals & decades it takes to execute a proven murderer now.WHY should such individuals get taken care of for the rest of their lives in prison with all the freebies given to them.No one is afraid of the death penalty nowadays because it is NOT ENFORCED! For those who are proven 99%,they should get life in prison without parole.If at some point they are proven 100% guilty, THEN they get the death penalty.It is NOT 'cruel punishment' unless one is an idiot.Consider the many ways murderers murder others.WHY have sympathy for such people.Religion has NOTHING to do with anything either.
Posted by sue wo on April 15,2013 | 11:24 AM
I seem to remember reading somewhere "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord." Hmmm. What comes round goes round. Sooner or later the one responsible for the crime will get their punishment, but it may not come in the manner expected.
Posted by Vivian on April 14,2013 | 01:47 AM
An eye for an eye as depicted in the Bible was meant to curb excessive violence such as was expressed by Lamech in Genesis 4:24. Furthermore the law had strict provisions prior to executing judgement.
Posted by jreynozo on April 14,2013 | 08:23 PM
In addition to living a "charmed life", it's also clear Mr. Rosenbaum has never had to deal with the situation of being falsely accused (and falsely convicted)… a situation that occurs far more commonly (and in exceedingly serious crimes, at that) than most people want to believe. If Mr. Rosenbaum's idea of a "better" legal system had been in place over the past few decades, most of those released (due to DNA evidence) from prison and death rows would have been wrongly put to death. There appear to be so many protections for the accused because false accusation and false witness (not to mention abuse by those in positions of power) are the historical norm, something the founding fathers were well aware of. Even today, too many people are simply too willing to accept a state's mere accusation as prima facie evidence of guilt… as if the police/court systems don't make mistakes. No judicial system is perfect. I don't know how many people get away crimes compared to those falsely convicted. It's possible neither has a significant lead over the other (although my thought is that far, far more people are wrongly convicted). Both should give any rational person pause. Mr. Rosenbaum's ideas seem to be a rationalization generated by media hysteria over those perceived to gotten away with heinous crimes. I would propose that if Mr. Rosenbaum's system needs to be balanced by the right of victims of false/wrongful conviction to seek equal redress against those responsible… the state, judges, juries, prosecuting attorneys, police, testifying experts, and possibly defending attorneys, etc. For just such situations and in order to prevent undue influence, this would require a completely separate legal system with its own judges, prosectors, and police… all with authority over members of other legal system. I'm not particularly religious, but Heaven help us if Mr. Rosenbaum's justice system ever does come to pass.
Posted by John on April 14,2013 | 05:25 PM
There is an old saying, " When you decide to travel down the path to revenge, be sure to dig two graves"
Posted by William Rosquist on April 14,2013 | 05:11 PM
Re JohnD: I don't like mistakes. But to equate 300 mistakes in guilt with the 1000's of cases of guilty going free entirely, or on parole, is nuts (eg. the 20,000 murdered by paroled convicted killers, over a 20 year span). I've served on jury's that made mistakes (freed the guilty, as shown by further investigation, by me). The system is not perfect now, obviously. But asserting that it can't be improved by including the victims, does not make sense to me. I support Rosenbaum.
Posted by Brooks Martin on April 14,2013 | 10:44 AM
It is also important to note whence come many of the conventions we inherited from the Constitution. The founders were trying to avoid a system that dealt with others the way they felt they had been dealt with under the old British colonial system - government or its representatives can take what you have or imprison you just because you express ideas that challenge them. We complain about criminals or suspects manipulating the system today; in those days, the prosecutors were the ones who were most able to manipulate outcomes. Another forgotten point in how our system is framed is misapplication of Christian forgiveness. Christian forgiveness is properly an individual's response; legal justice is supposed to be based on the government's interest in protecting citizens from illegal behavior. The Bible actually advises Christians that one purpose of government is to punish the wicked. I'm glad someone is willing to bring up this subject of injustice in the legal system from the victim's point of view. I really think that the system has become so skewed in favor of the suspects or perpetrators that there is no fear of punishment to restrain immoral behavior. Do most reasonable people really believe that removal of cable TV from jails and prisons is "cruel and unusual" punishment?
Posted by Bee on April 13,2013 | 11:02 AM
Which set of morals is he basing this on?
Posted by TommyQ on April 11,2013 | 09:43 PM