Savoring Pie Town
Sixty-five years after Russell Lee photographed New Mexico homesteaders coping with the Depression, a Lee admirer visits the town for a fresh slice of life
- By Paul Hendrickson
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The name alone would make a stomach-growling man wish to get up and go there: PieTown. And then too, there are the old photographs—those moving gelatin-silver prints, and the equally beautiful ones made in Kodachrome color, six and a half decades ago, at the heel of the Depression, on the eve of a global war, by a gifted, itinerant, government, documentary photographer working on behalf of FDR’s New Deal. His name was Russell Lee. His Pie Town images—and there are something like 600 of them preserved in the archives of the Library of Congress—portrayed this little clot of high-mountain-desert New Mexico humanity in all of its redemptive, communal, hard-won glory. Many were published last year in Bound for Glory, Americain Color 1939-43. But let’s get back to pie for a minute.
“Is there a particular kind you like?” Peggy Rawl, coowner of PieTown’s Daily Pie Café, had asked sweetly on the phone, when I was still two-thirds of a continent away. There was clatter and much talk in the background. I’d forgotten about the time difference between the East Coast and the Southwest and had called at an inopportune hour: lunchtime on a Saturday. But the chief confectioner was willing to take time out to ask what my favorite pie was so that she could have one ready when I got there.
Having known about PieTown for many years, I was itching to go. You’ll find it on most maps, in west-central New Mexico, in CatronCounty. The way you get there is via U.S. 60. There’s almost no other way, unless you own a helicopter. Back when Russell Lee of the Farm Security Administration (FSA) went to Pie Town, U.S. 60—nowhere near as celebrated a highway as its more northerly New Mexico neighbor, Route 66, on which you got your kicks—called itself the “ocean to ocean” highway. Big stretches weren’t even paved. Late last summer, when I made the trek, the road was paved just fine, but it was still an extremely lonesome two lane ribbon of asphalt. We’ve long licked the idea of distance and remoteness in America, and yet there remain places and roads like PieTown and U.S. 60. They sit yet back beyond the moon, or at least they feel that way, and this, too, explains part of their beckoning.
When I saw my first road sign for PieTown outside a New Mexico town called Socorro (by New Mexico standards, Socorro would count as a city), I found myself getting cranky and strangely elevated. This was because I knew I still had more than an hour to go. It was the psychic power of pie, apparently. Again, I hadn’t planned things quite right—I’d left civilization, which is to say Albuquerque—without properly filling my stomach for the three-hour haul. I was muttering things like, They better damn well have some pie left when I get there. The billboard at Socorro, in bold letters, proclaimed: HOME COOKING ON THE GREAT DIVIDE. PIE TOWNUSA. I drove on with some real resolve.
Continental Divide: this is another aspect of PieTown’s strange gravitational pull, or so I have become convinced. People want to go see it, taste it, at least in part, because it sits right on the Continental Divide, at just under 8,000 feet. PieTown, on the Great Divide—it sounds like a Woody Guthrie lyric. Something there is in our atavistic frontier self that hankers to stand on a spot in America, an invisible demarcation line, where the waters start to run in different directions toward different oceans. Never mind that you’re never going to see much flowing water in PieTown. Water, or, more accurately, its lack, has much to do with PieTown’s history.
The place was built up, principally, by Dust Bowlers of the mid- and late 1930s. They were refugees from their busted dreams in Oklahoma and West Texas. A little cooperative, Thoreauvian dream of self-reliance flowered 70 and 80 years ago, on this red earth, amid these ponderosa pines and junipers and piñon and rattlesnakes. The town had been around as a settlement since at least the early 1920s, started, or so the legend goes, by a man named Norman who’d filed a mining claim and opened a general store and enjoyed baking pies, rolling his own dough, making them from scratch. He’d serve them to family and travelers. Mr. Norman’s pies were such a hit that everybody began calling the crossroads PieTown. Around 1927, the locals petitioned for a post office. The authorities were said to have wanted a more conventional name. The Pie Towners said it would be PieTown or no town.
In the mid-’30s, something like 250 families lived in the surrounding area, most of them in exile from native ground gone arid. By the time Russell Lee arrived, in the company of his wife, Jean, and with a trunk full of cameras and a suitcase full of flashbulbs, the town with the arresting name boasted a Farm Bureau building, a hardware and feed store, a café and curio shop, a hotel, a baseball team, an elementary school, a taxidermy business. There was a real Main Street that looked a little like a movie set out of the Old West. Daily, except Sunday, the stagecoach came through, operated by Santa Fe Trail Stages, with a uniformed driver and with the passengers’ luggage roped to the roof of a big sedan or woody station wagon.
Lee came to PieTown as part of an FSA project to document how the Depression had ravaged rural America. Or as the Magdalena News put it in its issue of June 6, 1940: “Mr. Lee of Dallas, Texas, is staying in Pietown, taking pictures of most anything he can find. Mr. Lee is a photographer for the United States department of agriculture. Most of the farmers are planting beans this week.”
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Comments (30)
All of Russell Lee's Pie Town photographs can be view online at the web site of the Prints and Photographs Division, Library of Congress. Give your self a treat. Go to http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/fsa/ and type "Pie Town" in the search box.
Posted by James C. Anderson on January 30,2013 | 11:18 PM
I was born in Hagerman MN, 20 miles of Roswell.I had never heard of Pie Town, till someone sent me those pic"s from 1939- 1943.I live in Ore, gonna try and come vist and stay awhile. I know about the gentle brezze, think it blows all over NM.
Posted by mitchell on February 4,2012 | 01:57 PM
We plan on a road trip to Pie Town to try the Apple pie with green chile that we saw on The Best Thing... I would like to know where I can get the hours. We will be driving from a small town on the border of Texas and New Mexico, only a 4-5 hour drive, but I want to make the best of it and make sure I get some of that pie!!!!!
Posted by Dot on June 29,2011 | 12:13 AM
Some really nice Pie Town pics can be found here, including the Caudill & Whinery family dugouts. There's a good one of The Whinery's nice garden & the Pie Town Fair:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1388179/Rare-Library-Congress-colour-photographs-Great-Depression.html
Thanks for the lovely background on Mr. Lee & the beauty of the Pie Town area & its people.
Posted by KatalinX on May 18,2011 | 05:28 PM
I'm a truck driver and was traveling along US60 from Socorro, NM headed to Snowflake, AZ. I got up to just before Pie Town at night and saw the most amount of elk that I have ever seen before in my life. Not wanting to risk the chance of hitting one of them I found a big open dirt parking lot off to the side of the road and called it a night. Have never heard of the town before, so decided to look it up on my phone and found your article. Gave a whole new meaning to the town and was also fortunate enough to be there at night and to watch the stars for awhile, have never seen them as clear as I did last night and they seemed so close! Was awesome! Then woke up this morning and walked around whats left of the town for a little while and took some pictures. Was disappointed to find the Daily Pie Cafe closed for at least another 2 weeks which is what one of the locals told me who had said he has lived here for 72 years. Seemed like a very nice guy although I never caught his name. Can't wait until I can come back through again and get a slice of that famous pie! This town reminds me a lot of the town that Cars, Inc was based on.
Posted by Jason Kowalski on April 13,2011 | 12:25 AM
I was born and brought in the US south. I am Cherokee. I was transferred with my job to New Mexico. Though apprehensive at first, I soon came to appreciate the beauty and peacefullest of NM. I have put Pie Town on my travel list because of this site.
Posted by Paloma on March 4,2011 | 09:20 PM
After reading the "Pie Town Woman" years ago, I was wondering what happened to the Caudills. Am now relocating to that area. Sad to hear about Doris's and Josie's passing. Merry Christmas to the spirit of the Caudill and other homesteading families>!
Posted by Susan on December 25,2010 | 02:07 PM
Faro did divorce Doris and the whole "Running around" comment, especially from the "pie town" book is annoying. Faro was my grandfather. He married my grandmother after he was divorced- yes ONE woman and he had two daughters with her. My mother and my aunt. He died of lung cancer when my mother was about 20. I never met him but it is interesting to see all these pictures of him, but what is most interesting is finding all the old homestead items out in our shed in the backyard and to have my mom tell stories about how he had a HUGE garden in the backyard where he implemented all his homesteading tricks. Josie and my mom were good friends and talked often. You have to remember that the Pie Town WOMAN book is definitely from the woman's point of view.
Posted by Christina Nunez on September 16,2010 | 02:44 AM
Back around 1967, my mom, dad, and I were traveling from Phoenix to Albuquerque, to visit friends. We stopped in Pie Town and, of course, I enjoyed a slice of pie - chocolate creme, if I recall correctly, (I was about 12 years old). I did not return until I passed through on my motorcycle over the Labor Day weekend in 2009. After reading this article, I wish I had stopped at the time. I will be sure to go there again soon, to appreciate the place in light of what I now know.
Posted by Paul Dietzel on August 2,2010 | 04:08 PM
I was born in Anthony New Mexico Back in 1959. I lived In Las Cruce Until I was 16 Years old. I was always told that my father was native american. My mother is hispanic. I live in Dallas Texas and have lived here since then. I miss the peacefulness of new mexico.MY husband and I were planing to retire to that area. I would like to know about the schools in that area, because i have three children that we have custody of and They are my nices and nephew we are planning on buying land in or around Pie town. I want the children to know how it is to live in a small town .
Posted by Eva on July 3,2010 | 02:33 AM
I knew Russell Lee at the University of Texas at Austin in 1965-1971. He taught photography in the art department and I was a student there. I also knew him through The University Co-Op, the student store where I worked in the photography department and he would come in and buy supplies and chat. He was a very passionate but gentle man who influenced those around him
It is also interesting that the area around Pie Town is becoming a haven for amateur astronomy, one of my other passions due to its remoteness and very dark skies. I have yet to observe and image from there but it is on my to do list.
Nice article on Russell Lee.
Posted by Kent Kirkley on April 30,2010 | 11:46 PM
As a kid my parents would load up the car in Detroit, MI and travel to visit my grandparents in Chula Vista, CA. In the mid 60's my younger brother and I got to see the American west firsthand through the bug splattered windows of Dad's Ford station wagon.
About every other year we came trough Pie Town and this was a big hit for my brother and me as we knew it meant a slice of pie. My parents were very frugal, never eating out on the 5 day trip but we always got a slice of pie in Pie Town.
My only real vivid image of the town (other than the pie) was my mother getting into an argument with the owner of a small grocery store about some dented cans of soup my mom wanted and thought the price was too high.
I've longed to come back there on a motorcycle trip, at least to see the roads we used to travel on.
Someday I hope.
Posted by Rick Griffith on February 18,2010 | 02:29 PM
Wayne Orle Macrander and wife Floy Elizabeth Farnsworth Macrander appear in several Russell Lee photographs which illustrate a broad spectrum of their community involvement in the Pie Town and nearby Mountainview Community School affairs. Their names do not appear in captions beneath their images, in keeping with their unassuming personalities. Wayne was an industrious stock farmer on his selected homestead about five miles NNW of Omega on Hwy. 60. Floy was a homemaker, part time shepherd of their band of comestic sheep, gardener and chef extaordinare. She became the WPA Federal Music Program instructor in Mountainview School twice a week, alternating with tree days in the Quemado School. The full time school teacher at Mountainview shared half the building for music instruction as needed. Wayne had helped in the final construction of the log school and the installation of the corrugated roof. Wayne was immortalized in pictures of the Pie Town Singing Convention as President for the even and is seen handing the victory banner to the winning team. Floy was in at least two pictures as the piano accompanist. She is the shorter of the two pianist present that day. Wayne was captured also in the process of standing in line at the food tables set up to hold the many offerings brought by families attending the sing. Lee next came to the Macrander farm and photographed them in their newly completed adobe home, log out buildings and a magnificient open loft shed barn set at the back into the hillside of Mariano Mesa. The farm is on present day U.S. Geological Survey maps as Adobe Well, which referes to the fine adobe house and the well dug by Wayne with a second hand well rig he eventually purchased. Their chicken house had began its' existence as their firs cabin shelter with large heavily starched cotton sheet for interior lighting in day time and oil lamps at night, to guide the occasional visitor who might arrive past sunset.
Posted by Jim D. Macrander on November 11,2009 | 05:44 PM
I smiled, then blinked back a tear or two as I read this article. I found it as I worked on another project. Pie Town has been part of my life -- all of it. Three of my four grandparents -- Sam (called Jim in captions) and Ellie Norris and Lou Blanton -- are in Lee's pictures. My dad has a prominent place in at least one, along with my Aunt Betty in at least one. We still hold an annual family reunion on the Norris homestead.
My parents met and were married in Pie Town. I am a pastor and I performed my first wedding there, for one of my cousins.
I haven't seen Pop McKee since I was a kid -- at least that I can remember. But I can "see" him in my memory. And when I think of Pop's dad Roy, I remember a bit of a sparkle in his eyes. Maudie Bell was one of the kindest ladies I remember from childhood.
The story of Roy's passing sounded so much like the spirit of Pie Town. Hard work, rugged men and women, and a truckload of determination carved out that little community.
Posted by Sam Norris on September 15,2009 | 07:37 PM
This article put Pie Town on my "bucket list" -- gotta love a place named for my favorite dessert category. Husband grew up in Los Alamos, so I've been to NM many times. We recently returnd from one of our very best tours: Chaco Canyon, Acoma (for me, even better than described in http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/da-ancient-citadel.html), and Pie Town. Scenery along the way is amazing, and amazingly varied.
I sampled the New Mexican Apple Pie at The Daily Pie. What a zingy little treat! I my own yesterday, and have received rave reviews from everyone who tried it.
Even prior to this trip, one of my favorite books to recommend, for young readers and anyone looking for a hint of real life in the old west, is centered in the Datil region: "Life for a Lady" by Agnes Morley Cleaveland. Now I need to read it again!
Posted by Phyllis Emigh on August 23,2009 | 05:08 PM
This is wonderful! I moved to Pie Town around 4-5 years ago but had to leave for a couple of years. Now I'm back and it's fascinating to learn more about the legends surrounding my new home.
Posted by Margie Jensen on August 12,2009 | 04:28 PM
When I got out of the Army at Ft Huachuca, I became close friends with an older couple, Ruth and Lloyd Baum of Whetstone, AZ. They were a very entertaining couple that had lived a vastly interesting life of naval service, oil engineering, and world wide travel. So many times, Lloyd would say that he was born in Pie Town, NM and his mother had sold pies at the local store or cafe. As I came across this reference today, memories of this dynamic duo, often referred to as the "Baum Squad" passed my mind, and I tried to find some record online of his claim to Pie Town. If there is any information about this, it would be wonderful to know. In the meantime, I am now living close by and will find a place in our calendar to visit the town my old friend reminisced about so dearly.
Posted by Christy Ortiz on June 12,2009 | 06:13 PM
What a wonderful article. Having spent many years growing up in Pie Town, I had dreams of leaving and heading to the city. Now that I'm grown and living in the city, it's easy to reflect back on those simpler times and realize the peace that truly can be found in Pie Town. I remember telling people, "it's so small if you blink your eyes, you'll miss it" But that really is what I miss. Small town, community, a sense of belonging and knowing each other. You can't get that same feeling in the big cities. This is a place everyone should visit.
Posted by Patricia Mann-Wilson on April 22,2009 | 12:51 PM
This is a great article. I grew up in Pie Town, Lester and Emily Jackson are my grandparents they used to own the Break 21 cafe which is now the pie-o-neer i think and my mom and brothers still live in and around the area. It is and probably always will be home. I live in Texas now but try to get "home" as often as possible. I was nice to read such a accurate description. Red clay,mountains and pinions that are just as magical now as they were when I moved there at age 8. There is a peacefulness in Pie Town that if you take the time to look for will find a place in your soul. I hope anyone passing through will take a minute pull of the road and just spend a few minutes enjoying the peace you will never regret it...
Posted by Mary Ann Mishoe-McNary on February 27,2009 | 02:32 PM
One would think by reading about the marriage of Faro & Doris Caudill that they divorced shortly after leaving Pie Town. Not so. They were married a long time-till Josie was married and had her first child. Doris & Faro untimately settled in Albuquerque NM and Faro was something with the Teamsters Union and Doris had a good job waiting tables at an up class restaurant on West Central Ave, in Albuquerque. They lived in a poorer part of town mostly while I was good friends with Josie--I had the best times with Josie & Doris in Albuquerque and West Texas that I ever had. Eventually they bought a house in NE Albuquerque-a long house that could house two families comfortably.In 1998 Josie & I took a tour in New York City and had a grand time. The last time I saw Doris she was in a nursing home in Granbury TX and had several grandchildren(5, I think)from Josie. Josie died in March of 2000 and Doris in April 2004. Sorely missed...
Posted by Joy L. Galloway on February 26,2009 | 06:32 PM
I lived in T or C NM as a teenager;went back after many years to visit my older sister there last year. On my way home to CA I stopped to take pictures(my life long hobby) of the windmill museum and went to the Pie Town Cafe. It was cold as it had snowed the day before. I was hungry so waited for the pies to finish baking. They were stoking an old wood burning stove..it was so quaint and sweet..the people were fantastic and the PIE was to die for! I had never eatn Oatmeal Pecan Pie but I can tell you I will never drive through Pie Town without stopping for pie!! The area is so beautiful and I often wonder if it wouldn't be a great place to retire to!! Do stop if you are there you will never regret it!!
Posted by Marre Prestigiacomo on January 19,2009 | 02:11 PM
in 1950, my family moved to Socorro so my dad could work for the school of Mining. We visited Pie Town on a regular basis because our land lord, Marvin Few and his wife, had roots there. I believe her father was one of the cowboys that would visit Pie Town on his cattle drive north. The discription is much as i remember. J. Breault
Posted by on January 8,2009 | 03:02 PM
My wife and I recently bought property "in" Pie Town. We are 15 miles down a county road. We hope to build a home and move there someday. In the mean time, we will be dreaming of a life of Pie.
Posted by Jeff Jasinek on December 9,2008 | 05:49 PM
Thanks Paul and Smithsonian, for bringing back good memories and for keeping alive that pioneer feeling of a time when life was so much slower and simpler. When people gathered to help at harvest time or when they were needed and then gather again for fun and worship time. I attended school at the old Farm Bureau building when Mr. Magee, Mrs. Scoggin, Miss Ruth Ayres, Mrs. Shalbar, and several others taught there. I remember the day our desks were loaded on Mr. Magee's flatbed truck; and each of us carrying our books and took a younger kid by the hand and walked over to the "New" school house! I remember the day they moved the Post Office on huge beams pulled by a big truck from the old location west of town to its present location. We climbed upon the beams to get our mail before we walked home from school. I remember roller skating in the Bean House. Anyone that could walk skated--from the very youngest to those "old" people! Tho not quite the same, I still enjoy "going home" again. Thanks again for helping us remember. Kathryn Roberts
Posted by Kathryn McKee-Roberts on August 21,2008 | 01:14 PM
It is awesome to read about the area we grew up around. Raised in Magdalena and Datil, I remember going to Pie Town as a young girl when missles were being tested in the area as part of our national security. My brother Buddy stayed in the area and was an important member of the community. Thanks for sharing the information. Linda Perdue
Posted by Linda Perdue on August 18,2008 | 02:29 PM
brought back many memories, I went to the 1st grade in Pie Town. My teacher was Miss Ruth. I remember that year so well there was a lot of illness and that is when my brother Buddy was born. Buddy was killed 3 years ago and is burried at his home in Datil. I have always enjoyed going back to Catron county and driving through Pie Town. Thanks for the article. Helen Requa
Posted by Helen Requa on August 15,2008 | 09:59 PM
Wow!! This is fascinating!! I've been through Pie Town many times on our way to different places. Mainly to Datil or Soccorro. Many many memories of family reunions held in Datil. I dont remember if we ever stopped in Pie Town or not except to bury my great grandmother Perdue. My uncle (Buddy Perdue) ran a ranch near there for a while. It was between Datil and Pie Town. I have many fond memories of that area of New Mexico and Catron county. My mother was born in Magdalena as was most of her sisters and brothers i imagine.
Posted by Kevin Eshom on August 15,2008 | 08:35 PM
mmmmm Pie.
Posted by Dr Funk on July 29,2008 | 08:48 PM
A wonderful article about the American spirit! it was so comforting to read this at this depressing crossroad of out time.
Posted by Elinor on July 16,2008 | 09:41 AM
People like Russell Lee are as much part of the fabric of American history as Lewis & Clarke were in their time. A great debt is owed to him for the wonderful photographic legacy that he left us.
Posted by Patrick Judge [Ireland] on January 21,2008 | 04:06 PM