Richard Clarke on Who Was Behind the Stuxnet Attack
America's longtime counterterrorism czar warns that the cyberwars have already begun—and that we might be losing
- By Ron Rosenbaum
- Smithsonian magazine, April 2012, Subscribe
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“I think there was some minor Israeli role in it. Israel might have provided a test bed, for example. But I think that the U.S. government did the attack and I think that the attack proved what I was saying in the book [which came out before the attack was known], which is that you can cause real devices—real hardware in the world, in real space, not cyberspace—to blow up.”
Isn’t Clarke coming right out and saying we committed an act of undeclared war?
“If we went in with a drone and knocked out a thousand centrifuges, that’s an act of war,” I said. “But if we go in with Stuxnet and knock out a thousand centrifuges, what’s that?”
“Well,” Clarke replied evenly, “it’s a covert action. And the U.S. government has, ever since the end of World War II, before then, engaged in covert action. If the United States government did Stuxnet, it was under a covert action, I think, issued by the president under his powers under the Intelligence Act. Now when is an act of war an act of war and when is it a covert action?
“That’s a legal issue. In U.S. law, it’s a covert action when the president says it’s a covert action. I think if you’re on the receiving end of the covert action, it’s an act of war.”
When I e-mailed the White House for comment, I received this reply: “You are probably aware that we don’t comment on classified intelligence matters.” Not a denial. But certainly not a confirmation. So what does Clarke base his conclusion on?
One reason to believe the Stuxnet attack was made in the USA, Clarke says, “was that it very much had the feel to it of having been written by or governed by a team of Washington lawyers.”
“What makes you say that?” I asked.
“Well, first of all, I’ve sat through a lot of meetings with Washington [government/Pentagon/CIA/NSA-type] lawyers going over covert action proposals. And I know what lawyers do.
“The lawyers want to make sure that they very much limit the effects of the action. So that there’s no collateral damage.” He is referring to legal concerns about the Law of Armed Conflict, an international code designed to minimize civilian casualties that U.S. government lawyers seek to follow in most cases.
Clarke illustrates by walking me through the way Stuxnet took down the Iranian centrifuges.
“What does this incredible Stuxnet thing do? As soon as it gets into the network and wakes up, it verifies it’s in the right network by saying, ‘Am I in a network that’s running a SCADA [Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition] software control system?’ ‘Yes.’ Second question: ‘Is it running Siemens [the German manufacturer of the Iranian plant controls]?’ ‘Yes.’ Third question: ‘Is it running Siemens 7 [a genre of software control package]?’ ‘Yes.’ Fourth question: ‘Is this software contacting an electrical motor made by one of two companies?’” He pauses.
“Well, if the answer to that was ‘yes,’ there was only one place it could be. Natanz.”
“There are reports that it’s gotten loose, though,” I said, reports of Stuxnet worms showing up all over the cyberworld. To which Clarke has a fascinating answer:
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it was an interesting documentary piece on bbc discovery.
Posted by d daley on May 25,2012 | 03:48 PM
Rosenbaum claimed that Iran was attempting "to obtain enough U-235 to build a nuclear weapon"; however, while on "Face the Nation" last January, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said that Iran is not working on a nuclear weapon, which is also the conclusion of the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper. As one poster below pointed out, weapons grade uranium is enriched to 90%, and Iran has only enriched some to 20%, which is allowed under the Nonproliferation Treaty. According to one commenter below, Panetta and Clapper must not "have any education at all," or they are "just parroting what they see and hear on their favorite lame-stream media outlets." Perhaps they don't have the kind of "education" that Rosenbaum is trying to give us -- I understand that Israelis call it "hasbara".
Posted by John P Crane on May 22,2012 | 10:43 AM
Is the angst over the vulnerability of the weapon systems and the theft of commercial secrets warranted, as declared by Richard Clark in Ron Rosebaum’s interview “The Cassandra Syndrome,” Smithsonian, April 2012.
Yes, it is.
The digital spy-vs-spy game owes its existence to growing world-wide obsession of 24-7 connectivity to the Web. This compulsion to never be un-connected to the Web has paved the greatest data autobahn to wheel a forest of Trojan Horses into the bellies of the opponent’s military and commercial entities.
In a spy-vs-spy choreography, lets imagine China (as an example) builds and programs iPhones (and other brands) that become miniature Trojan Horse replicates that the masses use to acceleate the proliferation of powerful portals throughout the world. See, there are other uses for these devices other than personal distraction and vehicular manslaughter. Before the iPhone, we had less-portable devices controlling our building temperatures and railroad switching.
Let us also imagine a political construct, say the U.S., in turn, unleashes it’s corporate GMO farm seeds upon the world (under the guise of starvation prevention) and creates world-wide agricultural serfdoms that owe their very nutritional existence to the food-pharma conglomerates. Let us also imagine that the U.S. government also appoints an advocate of food-pharma conglomerates to the head of the Department of Agriculture.
Perhaps we can look at this world-wide digital-nutritional conundrum as a terribly infected organism and each viral mass is competing with a rival viral mass, multiplied by millions of instances. The host organism becomes weakened from the ever-expanding viral war, overwhelming it’s vital organs ability to perform life-sustaining housekeeping duties. The host organism perishes. It is natural selection, after all.
Posted by Brent Babcock on April 26,2012 | 04:32 PM
The problem IS government secrets!
A person who lies is a liar. A person who steals is a thief. A person who invents worms and other computer damaging software is a terrorist. A government employee is paid to do these things must be a government terrorist,liar, and thief. The USA must be a terrorist/criminal agency.
Same thing for under cover police officers who paid liars and for paid informers. How can citizens be expected to be more honorable than their government? How can the government be expected to be more honorable than the people? "We have met the enemy and they are us," Pogo.
Posted by bill wald on April 18,2012 | 08:25 PM
The scene with Harry Palmer making coffee was not in the movie “Funeral in Berlin.” That scene appeared in the movie “The Ipcress File.”
Posted by Jim Bledsoe on April 16,2012 | 12:47 PM
very funny :)
Posted by Julio Sanchez Valiente on April 8,2012 | 10:27 PM
Hainan Island incident results in a northeast black out of 2003? Three trees fall?
Posted by Sure on April 6,2012 | 05:49 PM
To whom it may concern,
There appears to be a quotation error midway through the article that, in my opinion, has a significant impact on the article. The quotation in question begins shortly after the paragraph that begins: "Well," Clarke replied evenly, "it's a covert action... Where is the end quote? It would be interesting to see if Mr. Clarke actually completed this paragraph in his own words. If he did, his inferences to acts of war and presidential authority appear weak, for someone who served in this arena under three presidents.
Any clarification would be appreciated.
Sincerely,
John Delaney
Posted by John Delaney on April 5,2012 | 08:58 PM
Much of this gives one more reason to live "off the grid," not so much as off the power grid (although that's important if possible) but off the Internet grid. A few years ago a documentary was published which contains the usual warnings against modern society and it's pitfalls. They had me going until the end of the piece with an interview of a native American chief, who said their legends included a prophecy that in modern times our very home appliances would rise up to attack us. What a preposterous notion, so I disregarded most of the doc. Now, manufacturers are planning to market common household appliances such as coffee makers and toasters that could be hacked to overheat (as could office printers, etc)! I'm planning on avoiding such connectivity, and yet here sits my WII happily connected to the Web. . .
Posted by Robin Burns on April 5,2012 | 05:25 PM
I remember Mr. Clarke's heartfelt apology very clearly. I also believe that he said that he would be using the proceeds of a future book to help the families of the 9/11 victims. Could you please report on his efforts in this matter?
Posted by Glen Worthington on April 5,2012 | 01:52 PM
Nobody is perfect at telling the future, but Clarke is pretty good. Read his Cyber Wars book (April 2010) where he says: "Even though historians and national security officials know that there are numerous precedents for institutions thinking their communications are secure when they are not, there is still resistance to believing that it may be happening now, and to us. American military leaders today cannot conceive of the possibility that their Secret (SIPRNET) is compromised, but several experts I spoke to are convince that it is." -- then read about Bradley Manning and WikiLeaks in *all* the newspapers in November/December 2010. I think it would be prudent to consider what else Mr. Clarke has to say.
Posted by DoctorJava on April 4,2012 | 09:20 PM
Iranians aren't producing bomb grade Uranium? Do the people who make such statements have any education at all? Are they just parroting what they see and hear on their favorite lame-stream media outlets? All it takes to know what's going on is a basic chemistry class. All nuclear power plants use bomb grade Uranium (U-235). They must in order to start a chain reaction to produce energy. They also must keep the amount of U-235 below a certain level, known as critical mass, so that it cannot SUSTAIN a chain reaction and therefore be controlled rather than exploding. So if you are going to build a nuclear power plant you must have "bomb grade" Uranium or it won't produce electricity. The key is the amount of U-235 and for anyone to build a nuclear power plant, how is anyone to know exactly HOW MUCH U-235 they are producing? Also, all you wanna-be genii out there might like to know that when U-235 undergoes fission it breaks down into Plutonimum 239 which is the primary ingredient in nuclear weapons. ALL NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS PRODUCE THE BEST ELEMENT FOR USE IN NUCLEAR WEAPONS AS THEIR WASTE PRODUCT!!!!
Posted by Klack Brognerstein on April 4,2012 | 03:45 PM
@frank de paola: Caine was in Funeral in Berlin and The Ipcress file. Richard Burton was in The Spy who came in from the cold.
Posted by rich on April 3,2012 | 02:20 PM
"The U.S. government doesn’t hack its way into Airbus and give Airbus the secrets to Boeing [many believe that Chinese hackers gave Boeing secrets to Airbus]. We don’t hack our way into a Chinese computer company like Huawei and provide the secrets of Huawei technology to their American competitor Cisco." LOL. Seriously? Really Mr. Clarke? Are these the "insights" you're providing to your clients? Maybe they'd do well to look else for the truth then, because when the EU went looking for a little system called ECHELON back in 2001, they filed a nice report that showed, miracle of miracles - the United States was quite actively intercepting communications from a variety of sources and relaying it back to interested parties. Anyone can search out the "EU report on ECHELON" and find the pdf - but here's a hilarious rebuttal to this Mr. Clarke's assertions - it's in section 10.7 "Published Cases". (source: http://cryptome.org/echelon-ep-fin.htm) Here's the DIRECT QUOTE on the aim of the intercept note that it's *exactly* what Clarke claims doesn't happen: Forwarding of information to Airbus's US competitors, Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas CONSEQUENCE : Boeing won the bid. I realize the massive intelligence failures of the American defense industry on a variety of levels, but this guy's pedalling this stuff in the private sector now. At the very least, he shouldn't humiliate himself by demonstrating his cluelessness on a subject even a grade schooler could discover and rebut.
Posted by Torsten Mueller on April 3,2012 | 10:39 AM
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