Matt Groening Reveals the Location of the Real Springfield
Twenty-five years after The Simpsons made their TV debut, the show's creator talks about Homer's odyssey—and his own
- By Claudia De La Roca
- Smithsonian magazine, May 2012, Subscribe
UPDATE: "The Simpsons" responded to this interview with a new chalkboard gag before the Sunday, April 15, episode proclaiming that "The true location of Springfield is in any state but yours." Check it out.
Claudia De La Roca: So take us back to the Simpsons’ foundational moment. In 1987 you were waiting for a meeting with James Brooks and you started sketching. What were you thinking?
Matt Groening: I had been drawing my weekly comic strip, “Life in Hell,” for about five years when I got a call from Jim Brooks, who was developing “The Tracey Ullman Show” for the brand-new Fox network. He wanted me to come in and pitch an idea for doing little cartoons on that show. I soon realized that whatever I pitched would not be owned by me, but would be owned by Fox, so I decided to keep my rabbits in “Life in Hell” and come up with something new.
While I was waiting—I believe they kept me waiting for over an hour—I very quickly drew the Simpsons family. I basically drew my own family. My father’s name is Homer. My mother’s name is Margaret. I have a sister Lisa and another sister Maggie, so I drew all of them. I was going to name the main character Matt, but I didn’t think it would go over well in a pitch meeting, so I changed the name to Bart.
Bart. Why?
Back in high school I wrote a novel about a character named Bart Simpson. I thought it was a very unusual name for a kid at the time. I had this idea of an angry father yelling “Bart,” and Bart sounds kind of like bark—like a barking dog. I thought it would sound funny. In my novel, Bart was the son of Homer Simpson. I took that name from a minor character in the novel The Day of the Locust, by Nathanael West. Since Homer was my father’s name, and I thought Simpson was a funny name in that it had the word “simp” in it, which is short for “simpleton”—I just went with it.
Did your father contribute anything besides his first name?
My father was a really sharp cartoonist and filmmaker. He used to tape-record the family surreptitiously, either while we were driving around or at dinner, and in 1963 he and I made up a story about a brother and a sister, Lisa and Matt, having an adventure out in the woods with animals. I told it to my sister Lisa, and she in turn told it to my sister Maggie. My father recorded the telling of the story by Lisa to Maggie, and then he used it as the soundtrack to a movie. So the idea of dramatizing the family—Lisa, Maggie, Matt—I think was the inspiration for doing something kind of autobiographical with “The Simpsons.” There is an aspect of the psychodynamics of my family in which it makes sense that one of us grew up and made a cartoon out of the family and had it shown all over the world.
Any other commonalities between your father and Homer Simpson?
Only the love of ice cream. My dad didn’t even like doughnuts that much.
The name Homer has been wall-to-wall around you—your father, your son, Homer Simpson. What does the name mean to you?
My father was named after the poet Homer. My grandmother, his mother, was a voracious reader. She named one son Homer and another son Victor Hugo. It is this basic name, but I can’t separate the name Homer from The Iliad and The Odyssey and from Odysseus, even though Homer is the teller of the tale. I think of it as a very heroic name in that Homer, even though he is getting kicked in the butt by life, he is his own small hero.
OK, why do the Simpsons live in a town called Springfield? Isn’t that a little generic?
Springfield was named after Springfield, Oregon. The only reason is that when I was a kid, the TV show “Father Knows Best” took place in the town of Springfield, and I was thrilled because I imagined that it was the town next to Portland, my hometown. When I grew up, I realized it was just a fictitious name. I also figured out that Springfield was one of the most common names for a city in the U.S. In anticipation of the success of the show, I thought, “This will be cool; everyone will think it’s their Springfield.” And they do.
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THose of us that have or do live in springfield oregon and we said it was our springfield have been right. and not only is this a great honor to out town but we also have a great town in general.
Posted by Nikki on October 4,2012 | 03:48 AM
In ''Mobile Homer'' Homer was pumping his own gas, which you can't do in Oregon.
Posted by Daniel on July 29,2012 | 07:50 AM
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Posted by Martin on May 16,2012 | 02:31 AM
i am the biggest simpsons fan ever :]
Posted by Aaron Doiron on May 6,2012 | 05:32 PM
Call it biased but I loved this interview, it really cleared up some things for me, mostly the location of Springfield and the names of the characters, and my opinion is that Matt Groning and his team have created a timeless classic here that, as Fat Tony would say "cracks me so consistently, up." And, to all the people who think th Simpsons have lost their edge and "These days are nothing more than Matt Groening's retirement fund" let me just say: I pity you poor souls who don't derive pleasure from Homer's idiotic schemes, Marge's stereotypical TV-momming, Bart's extreme tendency to create havoc, Lisa's insightful thinking always being ignored, and Maggie's occasional strokes of baby genius. This ONE cartoon, I think is a whole lot more than just "stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh" as Homer Simpson would say. PS I am well aware that I sound like Smithers grovelling to Mr. Burns, so don't bother pointing that out.
Posted by Isabella A. on May 6,2012 | 06:23 AM
hey MATT GROENTNING im a fan n.1 of the simpsons i drew a pic of darcy and bart kissing and bart and greta in the simpsons tabale plese give me a email or call me but i live in brasil capatal
Posted by luke lucio on May 1,2012 | 08:29 PM
It's In Oregon! Matt Please Tell Me It's Right Or Wrong.
Posted by Miles on April 30,2012 | 06:38 PM
Well, I HAVE SEEN EVERY "The Simpson's" Episode, to date...Go Ahead Try And Stump Me.
Posted by on April 28,2012 | 01:10 PM
What an absurd comment from Groening: "Everything you can experience in Los Angeles, you can have a much better version of in Portland..." Portland's fine with me -- I love visiting. But Matt, please tell me where in Portland I can find the symphony that's better than the L.A. Philharmonic; or all of the museums that are better than the Getty, LACMA, the Norton Simon, the Japanese American, the Huntington, etc.; or a jazz club better than Catalina's or the Jazz Bakery; or the ocean 20 minutes away; or the desert 40 minutes away; or the finest of every type of ethnic food imaginable; or more cultures and languages than anywhere else in the world; or better universities than UCLA and USC; or better baseball than the Dodgers and Angels; or better live performances than at the Music Center, Pasadena Playhouse, and hundreds of small playhouses; or venues better than the Hollywood Bowl, the Ford Theater, or the Greek Theatre. Anytime you are ready to leave, I can drive you to the airport. You'll be leaving more room for those of us who understand Los Angeles; and there will be one less person who thinks L.A. is nothing more than a place to make a buck by turning out low-grade "entertainment."
Posted by Charles Soter on April 24,2012 | 11:37 PM
I agree with Cory... On his post of April the 15. I grew up in Kennewick, Wa.. Also know as the Tri-Cities because there are three cites next to each other you have know that by pretty much being a Local. It doesn't say Tri-Cities on a map... Kennewick, Pasco, Richland, is what it say on a map. Hanford a nuclar site just a little ways north back in world war 2 was very top secret and played a key role in world war 2.... If you look to the south of Kennewick.. There is a hill with one house on it... Its old and a Mansion. Hum could this possible be a coincidence... I'm going to laugh if it isn't growing up I always felt there was something really odd and too close to home feeling about the Simpsons.... I guess we will see if Matt ever reveals the truth...
Posted by Matthew Pearson on April 16,2012 | 01:42 AM
I could have sworn I read somewhere that Matt was born in Springfield, OR and grew up in Portland, so I always assumed is was Springfield. As for the nuclear power plant, there is also the Hanford site a few hours up the Columbia River in Washington. Portland has always been worried that the large amount of waste has polluted the Columbia River (which runs next to Portland)Hence the 3-eyed fishes? Just another theory in the mysteries of Springfield.
Posted by Cory on April 15,2012 | 12:31 AM
i want to have all the simpsons episodes because i love it!
Posted by thomas on April 14,2012 | 09:18 PM
So now he's backpedaling and is saying NOT Springfield OR. This guy's about as big a flip flopper as any Tom Dick or Harry politician. Loser! Make up your mind.
Posted by Shelbyville Native on April 13,2012 | 03:23 PM
Matt - the episode where Homer & Bart pretend to have Leporasy & end up in the colony in Hawaii will forever be in my mind & a favorite "war story", especially when the terrible twosome are sat sunning themselves & a light aircraft takes off from the nearby airfield, how true that is as I borrowed an PA-28 from Mauii & did a touch & go there on a flight around those magnificent islands 2 weeks after 9/11, I still wonder if that was my wife & I in the plane........
Posted by John on April 13,2012 | 09:04 AM
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